Abp. Kallinikos (GOC-K) Serves Memorial for Departed Met. Cyprian of Oropos and Phyle

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Abp. Kallinikos (GOC-K) Serves Memorial for Departed Met. Cyprian of Oropos and Phyle

memorial service for kyprian of oropos and phlye

 

As reported on March 20th, 2014 at the website of the GOC (K) Metropolis of Attica and Boeotia, a Synodal visit of the GOC (K) was made to the former SiR monastery of Sts. Cyprian and Justina. While there, Abp. Kallinikos, along with other GOC (K) clergy, chanted prayers for boththe repose and the forgiveness of the lateMet. Cyprian of Oropos and Phyle, the founder of the nowdefunct SiR. However, it seems unclear if this prayer were the standard prayer found for the forgiveness of the departed in the memorial service, or a special text composed to absolve the lateMet. Cyprian for offences against the GOC.

Present at the visit and service were Abp. Kallinikos of Athens, Met. Gerontios of Piraeus, andBp. Photios of Marathon, as well as former SiR hierarchs, who arenow part of the GOC (K) Synod: Met. Kyprianos, Bishops Ambrose of Mathone and Clement of Gardikon, and other clergy and monastics.

 

 

 

  • Anonymous

    He serves a memorial for a heretic (by GOC standards) and twice deposed anathematized schismatic? Unbelievable!

    • Deacon Joseph @ NFTU

      Euthymios, if you’re in WO, all your memorials are for similar cases.

      Just stop.

      • BD

        i hate to say it but Euthymios has a point. Cyrpian died a herectic, whcih means he has no chance at salvation (by the true defintion). Are we talking Posthumuos (pardon the spelling) conversion here. GOC-K was too haste.

        • ProdromosTO

          The Dialogue with the Cyprianites began well before Met Cyprian’s repose. It is clear from the context of the dialogue and it’s conclusion that at least by 2011/12 that the GOC-K did not consider Met Cyprian a heretic. Does the Church not have the power to bind and loose?

          • BD

            The Church does not have the power to forgive a Heretic. Is this not Orthodoxy 101. Why do we strive then to be in the true Church priro to death. what is the point of being in the Traditional Church?

          • ProdromosTO

            In this instance it is clear the the GOC-K did not consider Met Cyprian to be a heretic prior to his repose. So there no issue. If you believe that Met Cyprian was a heretic at the time of his repose then that is something you should take up with your GOC-K Bishop.

            As I said the True Church can bind and loose. Otherwise how were the former HOCNA parishes able to enter the GOC-K after 20 + years in the HOCNA schism?

          • BD

            Because the HOCNA parishes are living people (not dead!) received through reordination. Cyrprian died in Heresy. He did not renounce his Heretical beliefs. You are falling into “Awake Sleaper” territory.
            BTW – don’t you find it offencive that the HOCNA bishops received by GOC-K were reordained, but the cyprian bishops were just received through concelebration? If you read the history of the GOC, you will see that Auxentius was restored thus making the HOCNA ordination valid. Or at least more valide than the Cyprian ordinations. Have you read how the cyprians were ordained?

          • Deacon Joseph @ NFTU

            While I’d love to get into the uncomfortable subject comparing narratives, Apostolic succession, and subsequently demolishing the narrative about “clean” and “muddy” sources of ordination, I was under the impression the SiR Bishops were received in by chierothesia, as were the HOCNA Bishops, making the issue moot from a purely legal perspective.

          • BD

            GOC-K receievd the HOCNA bishops and clergy by performing the ordination ceremony from the Apostalic Constitutions (less elaborate than today ordinations), which in my mind was kind of sneaky. Can you point me to the source that the SiR bishops were received by Chierothesia? How was this possible in such a short period of time, with bishops all over the world?

          • Deacon Joseph @ NFTU

            I wasn’t aware of the first point. That’s actually really odd.

            As for the second, I thought all the SiR Bishops were in Greece anyway? And no, I guess I hadn’t considered the time period. Perhaps they were being received and it was being kept under wraps (yes I realize that’s a new problem but I am at a loss here).

          • ProdromosTO

            I think we see the facts on the ground differently. It is clear at the start of the dialogue with the SiR in January 2013 that the GOC-K did not consider the SiR heretics. The whole tone of the 13 meeting reports indicates this. Met Cyprian reposed in May 2013. So I am assuming that the GOC bishops did not consider him a heretic at the time of his repose. So I don’t see how the problems created by “Awake Sleeper” apply here.

          • BD

            Are you a GOC-K member in Toronto? can you step back a little bit and try to understand that the whole traditional world viewed Cyrprianism as a form of crypto-ecumenism? Ask your priests they will fill you in. The fact that GOC-K never considered the Cyprianites herectics made this a false union. Read the Vladimir Moss article.

          • A.B

            BD, to help answer your question, this excerpt is from the article “Economia in Church History”, written by Metropolitan Ephraim of Boston.

            “The great Ecumenical teacher, St. Cyril of Alexandria, who was the first to realize that Theodore of Mopsuestia was the actual originator of the Nestorian heresy, in order to facilitate the return of the Eastern bishops to the Church, permitted them to commemorate Theodore of Mopsuestia in the diptychs provided that they themselves confessed the Orthodox Faith. At this time, Theodore had already reposed (cf. Epistle 72, To Proclus of Constantinople, PG 77, 344345).

            It should be noted also that St. Theodore the Studite, who was well known for his great strictness, praises this economia of St. Cyril (see PG 99-1085C-1088BC). This particular economia is especially astounding if one places it in our modern context. Suppose a group of new calendar bishops, and fifty or so of their clergy, with an equal number of parishes were to approach me and say: “Your Eminence, we want to join your Church. We will follow the canonical Church calendar, denounce the heresy of Ecumenism and follow all the Holy Canons faithfully. The only economia that we ask of you is that you allow us to continue commemorating the now departed Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras in the diptychs. You see, our older clergy and people knew him personally and loved him and respected him as a person. We know that he was wrong as regards Ecumenism, but he is still remembered and respected by many of us as being a good man and a caring shepherd.” Now, what should I do? If I were to use strictness and said, “Absolutely not!” these people might well say: “This bishop is a fanatic. Forget about him and his super-Orthodoxy. Let us remain where we are.” Of course, they would then all be lost as far as the Church is concerned. But if I used the same strategy and economia that St. Cyril of Alexandria used in a similar case (with the approval of St. Theodore the Studite some centuries later), I would think to myself and say, “In less than one generation, perhaps in a few years, all these elderly clergy and laity who knew Athenagoras personally and loved him will have reposed. Their children, on the other hand, did not know Athenagoras and have no personal attachments to him, and so the need for this particular economia will cease, but —thanks be to God — all the children and their children will, at least, now be in the Church.” That is exactly how St. Cyril of Alexandria thought and acted.”

            Here is the link:

            https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzJKrDVZPwcvSGN5UmdRaERzWnc/edit

            It can be found on the HOMB website.

            BD, nothing else needs to be written on the matter. The President of your synod as well as your Metropolitan states his position on the matter very eloquently. Metropolitan Makarios of Toronto also signed this document meaning he also clearly holds this position. HOCNA’s position on this matter couldn’t be more clear and straightforward. If they are telling you otherwise, you should remind them about what they wrote on the matter just a few years ago.

            BD, you continue to comment about the issues that you have with other synods, but you fail to look at the problems in your own. Most people do not accept anything that comes from the HOCNA leadership. It is plagued with lies, inconsistency, malice and delusion, and it becomes more and more clear that they are a schismatic group, which embraced heresy.

            We pray for the return of the HOCNA faithful to their original roots, the Orthodox Church.