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Ecumenical Patriarchate Hyping Upcoming Meeting with Francis of Rome

On May 6, 2014, the Ecumenical Patriarchate posted a video explaining the upcoming meeting in Jerusalem between Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew and Pope Francis.  The video highlights that both are ‘great men of the Church’.  The video can be found here. The meeting will commemorate 50 years since the meeting between Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras in Jerusalem.

The video, and the upcoming meeting, reflect the continued commitment that the Ecumenical Patriarchate shows to ecumenism and union with Rome. Already communion agreements with non-Orthodox bodies have been reached by the Antiochian Patriarchate and Alexandrian Patriarchate; as well as widespread de facto communion.  The upcoming 2016 ‘great council’ being held by the Ecumenical Patriarchate is undoubtedly to greatly accelerate this movement.

  • HermitsOf St-John

    Often the de facto & uncanonical intercommunion between World Orthodoxy and Rome or other heterodox are referred to. But it would be useful to read an analysis or historical review of these unions rather than depending on tertiary sources. Fr Symeon Salos

    • HmkEnoch

      Fr. Symeon,
      What I mean is what would count as primary source? The discussion documents that led to the communion agreements? I think Chambesy would probably be a primary source on this; other material may actually be in Arabic, which is a little harder to find sometimes.

      • Yes Fr Enoch. Thank you! Or are there ANY primary documents? Is giving communion to the Papists & Orientalists just an unspoken practice based upon their ecumenical mentality?

        • HmkEnoch

          Christ is Risen!
          Fr. Symeon,

          Yes. There seems to have been some movement recently to hide the communion agreements, but you can still find them. For example, the agreement promulgated between the Antiochian Patriarchate and the Syro-Jacobite Patriarchate can be found here:
          http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/ocrc/2013/12/statement-of-the-orthodox-church-of-antioch-on-the-relations-between-the-eastern-and-syrian-orthodox-churches/
          It seem many were not aware of this. However, even a cursory examination of the Orthodoxwiki site, which is run and controlled by World Orthodox will readily admit this on their page about the Antiochian Patriarchate, saying:
          “As recommended in the Agreement of 1990, the Antiochian (Eastern) Orthodox Patriarch Ignatius IV formally met with the Syriac (Oriental) Orthodox Patriarch, Ignatius Zakka I, on July 22, 1991. At that formal meeting, the two patriarchs signed a pastoral agreement which called for “complete and mutual respect between the two churches.” It also prohibited the passing of faithful from one church to the other, envisaged joint meetings of the two holy synods when appropriate, and provided for future guidelines for intercommunion of the faithful and Eucharistic concelebration by the clergy of the two churches. The Church of Antioch expects these guidelines to be issued when the faithful of both churches are ready, but not before.” (http://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_of_Antioch)

          There seems to have been an effort recently to hide these materials, but you can still find them. Yet the Orthodoxwiki commentary try to give a vague caveat at the end; a caveat which doesn’t seem to exist in the documents or in the reality of the situation between Antioch and the Syro-Jacobite in Syria for years.

        • HmkEnoch

          Christ is Risen!

          Fr. Symeon,

          Yes. There seems to have been some movement recently to hide the
          communion agreements, but you can still find them. For example, the
          agreement promulgated between the Antiochian Patriarchate and the
          Syro-Jacobite Patriarchate can be found here:

          http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/ocrc/2013/12/statement-of-the-orthodox-church-of-antioch-on-the-relations-between-the-eastern-and-syrian-orthodox-churches/

          It seem many were not aware of this. However, even a cursory examination
          of the Orthodoxwiki site, which is run and controlled by World Orthodox
          will readily admit this on their page about the Antiochian
          Patriarchate, saying:

          “As recommended in the Agreement of 1990, the Antiochian (Eastern)
          Orthodox Patriarch Ignatius IV formally met with the Syriac (Oriental)
          Orthodox Patriarch, Ignatius Zakka I, on July 22, 1991. At that formal
          meeting, the two patriarchs signed a pastoral agreement which called for
          “complete and mutual respect between the two churches.” It also
          prohibited the passing of faithful from one church to the other,
          envisaged joint meetings of the two holy synods when appropriate, and
          provided for future guidelines for intercommunion of the faithful and
          Eucharistic concelebration by the clergy of the two churches. The Church
          of Antioch expects these guidelines to be issued when the faithful of
          both churches are ready, but not before.” (http://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_of_Antioch)

          There seems to have been an effort recently to hide these materials,
          but you can still find them. Yet the Orthodoxwiki commentary try to give
          a vague caveat at the end; a caveat which doesn’t seem to exist in the
          documents or in the reality of the situation between Antioch and the
          Syro-Jacobite in Syria for years.

  • HmkEnoch

    Can you elaborate? It is easy to refer to the text of the agreement; but, do you mean an history behind why such agreements were reached and why they took this path? The history of the Antiochian and Alexandrian Patriarchates communion agreements with the Monophysite-Severian (Anti-Chalcedonian) Syro-Jacobite and Coptic churches is something that I’m only briefly familiar with.