Editorial: Your Editor Accused of Heresy on the “Orthodox-Tradition” Yahoo Group

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Editorial: Your Editor Accused of Heresy on the “Orthodox-Tradition” Yahoo Group

Dear readers,

I’ve learned through multiple sources that because of my stance concerning the heresy of imyabozhie (“name-worshipping”) I have been accused repeatedly over the past eight hours of being a Barlaamite. This is a typical tactic of the modern name-worshipping sect; they like to pretend they are Palamists– when they are not. They are pantheists. They are outside the Orthodox Church.

I’ve been accused– repeatedly and falsely over the past few hours– of claiming (to quote the initial email that started the attacks) that on “[the NFTU] radio show [Dcn Joseph] mentioned that God’s energy’s [sic] are created. If God’s energies are His grace, then isnt [sic] this the Latin heresy of Created Grace?”

Nowhere on NFTU Radio have I ever claimed that God’s energies are created. I’ve had three other people listen to the show. They heard nothing of the sort. I’ve listened to it again to make sure there isn’t something that can be misheard or misconstrued.  Nothing. In short, I can only conclude that the author is the above statement is lying– and has dedicated an entire thread on the “Orthodox-Tradition” Yahoo Group to claim that I stated that God’s energies are created. Exactly the opposite is true. But you don’t have to take my word for it.

The show’s right here.

It would appear that the defenders of the name-worshippers, lacking any more cogent arguments for their Orthodoxy or explaining why we were unjustified in removing them from our True Orthodox listings when they have chosen to overturn condemnations of heresy issued by universally accepted authorities, have just resorted to lying outright on a forum in which I cannot respond, a fact of which I’ve made no secret. If you’ve got nothing left, throw out some lies. Didn’t take long for people who dislike what I do personally with NFTU to throw out some attacks, all built upon a lie.

Even more insulting is that it’s a badly disguised lie. The first post was written at 12:00 AM– three minutes before the show ended. To my knowledge live broadcasts cannot be replayed until they are archived. One would think that my alleged claim of created grace would have to be pretty obviously stated; if not, any sane person would have listened twice to make sure– which, based on the timing, was not done. Unless, perhaps– they hadn’t listened to the show at all.

What’s even worse is that my Bishop was dragged into this discussion even though NFTU is not an arm of the diocese for no reason whatsoever. Unlike those in a sorry cult, I do this on my own, and don’t coordinate breaking the commandments with my fearless leader du jour.

Here’s a hint for everyone. NFTU has an open, True Orthodox Forum. We also have a commenting system. And people who post on the Euphrosynos Cafe get an answer from me as well. Loads of people post here, and loads of people comment, and have over these difficult times in HOCNA. How is it that an accusation of heresy so grave would be placed in the one place where the accused couldn’t come to his own defense?

In short– why didn’t “Pedro Martinez” (who may or may not be a real person), on listening to the show, have the decency to call me a heretic directly– doing so before the show finished? And why go to the one place I have no way to answer back?

I await the response of the detractors who have borne false witness against me.

In Christ

Deacon Joseph Suaiden (not “Dcn Joe”, Deacon Joseph)

  • Athair Ambrois Maonaigh

    Man up, Deacon Joe! Your website is crammed full of accusations against many

    clergymen, nearly all of whom have no right of reply on your website.

    • Hieromonk Enoch

      However, this is not even a possible misunderstanding. this is just a lie plain and simple. After all, Fr. Ambrose, we allow you to comment here. But, I guess if you are going to call Fr. Joseph ‘Deacon Joe’, I can start calling you Fr. Mooney (maybe even Reverend Mooney) the Kapralite.

      Sure they can reply. Let them reply on the comment section, let them reply on the NFTU forum, or let them send reply letters. If what they have said was not what they were reported to have said, then, it will be corrected, or the reply letter or clarification letter will be put up. Or they can, as stated above, post a comment in the comment section or the NFTU forum.

    • NFTU

      Dear Fr Mooney,

      You’re living proof that isn’t true. You are banned from the forum (ironically, one of two people) for violating the guidelines: repeatedly calling True Orthodox schismatics, et cetera. It’s a forum guideline, but you don’t seem to care.

      Pathetically, you still post here (of course, I assume in time you’ll violate the commenting guidelines too). By the way, I noticed you assented to the bearing of false witness on the Orthodox-tradition list, but I bet you’ve already heard the broadcast. (About 50 people have heard it in the past 8 hours.) I guess it’s ok to just lie about people. Actually, as a Sergianist, that’s part of your religion, no?

      It’s a sad– but now typical– day when in Sergio-Metaxakism, honest answers are just a form of currency as opposed to God’s preferred mode of speech. (“You keep your mouth shut here, we won’t try to smear you over there.”)

      I invite you to send over any “wronged” clergy to feel free to comment on the forum. After all, you did do that on the Occidentalis list with the ten schismatics. Strangely, none even bothered to register. I wonder why.

  • Athair Ambrois Maonaigh

    Hierom.Enoch, your hierarch has described me as a representative of Satan in his “Confession.” You yourself, on this very site, called my Metropolitan the “High Priest of Satan Hilarion Kapral.” You expect Satan’s Slaves to bother with polite and unctuous terminology?

    • NFTU

      What a unique development.

      So you’re admitting you’re Satan’s slaves and proving it by your actions. Wow! I never considered that.

      I guess that makes a lot of sense. Now I have to go think about the guidelines again– I didn’t forsee Sergio-Metaxakite clergy admitting they were satanic representatives on NFTU.

    • Hieromonk Enoch

      And that has been discussed and hashed out to death. You know as well as I do, that, if you believe a person is a clergyman in what is believed to be an heretical and schismatic church, then, the Church cannot consider such a person to be a Priest of God. If they are not a priest of God, and they are not in true Church, then, they can only be serving the interests of the Devil; even if they aren’t intending to do that.

      I would say that a Franciscan or Dominican friar is a servant of the Devil, unwittingly, and my protestant clergyman great-uncle; they don’t intend to serve the Devil, but, by teaching things that are contrary to the True Faith, they and others are in this path.
      Would you really say that the Franciscans who murdered all those Orthodox Serbs in the WW2 were servants of God or servants of the Devil? Don’t you yourself believe that since we are not with your bishops, that we are not servants of God, from your perspective.

      Really, Father, this become very tiresome. You wish to play always the condescending one, the one who benignly smiles and inclines to us poor peons; but, when the poor peons state that you are not truly noble, you become angry.

  • Athair Ambrois Maonaigh

    Oops, my apologies. It slipped my mind that Americans do not always pick up on the way the British use irony.

  • Stan Ihoria

    Bishop Phtios of Marathon was accused of the same, anyone who disagrees was accused of the same. Dn Joseph, as you well know, this is the propaganda are on HOCNA in effect! I am devastated for the people but there is nothing new here! Everyone who has ever left them were slandered, it’s exausting! The poor molested monks were deranged. My personal favourite is, “you don’t know Met Moses like we do, he lived with use for 20 years” Well if that is the case then why did you make him a Bishop?? Or how about Bp Demetrios tried to extort $20M!! I am myself bordering on tempation but I am just tired and frustrated by their tactics.

    • Hieromonk Enoch

      Well, it was ‘news’ to the people invovled; since, it seemed so blatant. But, as you say, the HOCNA propaganda department is in full swing.

  • I might accuse you of various issues [grumble. mutter], dear Fr Joseph, but heresy certainly is not one of them. Such an accusation against you is simply laughable error in and of itself. But when one considers the inhospitable climate of certain e-lists, then one is not taken by surprise. Finbarr

  • unkown

    all this bickering ..and all of this schisms are the reason why people are left confused and go there separate ways..I might not understand name worshiping or understand theology like most of you but I understand all of you are acting like children in a school yard fighting over petty things.How bout stop arguing v over name worshiping….and the hocna scandals and why dont we all try to save each of our own souls because argeuing over earthly things wont help us when are at judged

    • Hieromonk Enoch

      Name-worship is an heresy; it is something that is more than an ‘earthly’ concern. If one embrace an heresy, it destroys one spiritually and prevents salvation if one does not renounce it. The souls of people are precious things; and to denounce and seek to defeat heresy which would be soul destroying is not an earthly argument. St. Athanasius, for example, was constantly harping on homoousios (consubstantial) as the proper tern to guard against heresies regarding the Son of God; even when there were people who thought he was nit picking. And, St. Athanasius was absolutely correct; homoousios was the shiboleth that separated the the crypto-Arians who were trying to hide among the Orthodox.

      Terms mean something; and they can demonstrate something that can mean the difference between spiritual life or death.

  • EJ

    I dont see Fr Ambrose ever leaving the fallen Churches unless True Orthodoxy replaces them as the mainstream- we should though try and pray that he at least leaves the Moscow Patriarchate where he is damning himself beyond any hope of reprieve.

  • George

    “Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution”
    (II Timothy, 3:12)

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