HOCNA-HOTCA: Full Timeline and Document Archive Released by Fr Christos Constantinou

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HOCNA-HOTCA: Full Timeline and Document Archive Released by Fr Christos Constantinou

A Full Archive of documents, as well as letters explaining the position of the departing leaders of HOCNA who will be formally received tommorrow by Archbishop Kallinikos of Athens in New York has been produced by Fr Christos Constantinou of St Mark of Ephesus Cathedral in Roslindale.

The departing clergy in the document were listed as follows as having departed as of September 27, citing Canon 15 of the First-Second Council– thus defining the issue as a matter of heresy– as a basis:

  • Demetrius, former Bishop of Carlisle, now Bishop of Boston;
  • Fr. Nicodemos Gayle and St. Seraphim of Sarov Orthodox Church in Glen Allen, VA;
  • Frs. Michael Marcinowski and Jacob Wojcik and St. Philaret Mission Orthodox Chapel in Chicopee, MA;
  • Fr. George Liadis and Ascension of our Saviour Orthodox Mission in Carver, MA;
  • Frs. Christos Constantinou, George Kamberidis, and Demetrios Houlares and St. Mark of Ephesus Orthodox Cathedral in Boston, MA;
  • Fr. Vassily Mihailoff and St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco Orthodox Mission in Kennebunk, ME;
  • Fr. George Kochergin and family
  • Fr. Yakov Tseitlin and family. 
The letter states that the above have already been received as of Sept 27 (NS). The reception will therefore likely be more a formal welcome into the HOTCA.
  • nephongoc

    Only fools and theologians create schisms in the Church!!

    • George

      Err, what exactly are you referring to?

    • JMP

      You are totally right and you are one of those fools. But you are definitely not a theologian. Who are you to call theologians fools. It is the arrogance of a fool that creates schisms. If you are a monk, you should leave the world of computers and go say you prayers to save yourself.

      • *JMP*: We should A L L leave the matter of computers and focus on providing for our families and praying. Dedicating our time to serving God, rather than being concerned about what a community on the *internet* cares about this person or that person. God vindicates all those who are innocent of false charges, so what is it of your concern who says this or that? The facts are out, and there is validity to the charges against Fr. Panteliemon.
        Does this mean that Fr. Panteliemon is a completely evil, perverted, discusting creature? In my mind, no. We are all sinners. We all have our terrible sins either that we have committed in word, deed, or thought. Do they make us completely devoid of grace…nope. It would appear to me that, before the community grew (HTM), when all these modern day saints and holy men highly commended Fr. Panteliemon as a great ascetic and worthy of following in regards to The Faith, that Fr. Panteliemon WAS a fantastic man who had not committed such acts which occured later.

        As his praise grew, and people began to really treat him like a person who might be canonized some day as a saint…I feel his ego got the better of him, and he fell from that growing grace which he was previously mounting. As they say: “The bigger they are…the harder they fall.” Applies to everyone. Even saints are tempted in this life. What separates them from the rest of us is their response to these temptations, and if they do fall, their committed repentence.

        Though at the 11th hour, let us pray for Fr. Panteliemon that his confession is from the heart, and not *just* from fear of God and death, as most of us would understandably do. Let us pray that, now that he has confessed it, he will spend the fleeting time that God has granted him to deeply repent. Maybe, purhaps, he will be able to reclaim his former climb in the short time he has left. And, let us pray for the victims, that, after years of being thought of as crazy or spiteful of their former elder, they are finally vindicated and proven to have been sincere in their pain and claims…let us pray that they find closure somehow now.

  • Paul

    In order to access this “Full Timeline and Document Archive” one only has to put the pointer of the mouse over the first sentence – “A Full Archive of documents….” and click on it. This is a monumental work that is written from a factual standpoint and backed by evidence in the documents which reveal the full truth …. and nothing but the truth! But yet not exactly as one will read some “smokescreen” and VERY QUESTIONABLE statements such as on page 38 of the “Prelude” from Metropolitan Ephraim. This paragraph taken from page 8 that follows is what laity especially have been expressing for some time. “Had HOCNA never gotten involved in what was up until then a non-issue, this would not be of concern now. Once HOCNA unnecessarily thrust itself into this matter, having realized the turmoil it created, it could have honored its own resolutions and been silent, leaving the matter alone since, as HOCNA correctly said, this was the affair of the Russian Church. Instead, the hierarchy kept hammering away with the same arguments of the Name worshippers, casting doubts in the minds of the faithful about the validity of the Russian synods and the synodal decrees, the purpose of which doubts is to invalidate the decisions against Name-worshipers.”

    • Stan Ihoria

      Paul, I agree fully with your post!

    • Nektarios

      Absolutely

  • nephongoc

    @disqus_vjeVpmNVUq:disqus Did I rattle you?!!!It looks to me from your response that you’re defensive.

    I pray to GOD that HE gives you peace and humility.

    • JMP

      You are a scary human. Pretty sarcastic for a man of the cloth. No you didn’t rattle me. God will reveal.

    • karayanopoulos Yohanou

      you did not rattle him, he only inquired about monks breaking the monastery confines to be on the Internet. Reminds me of a certain Catholic order allowing monks a day “off” to be and do as they please

  • AMA0529@gmail.com

    Amin my brother, AMIN.

    • AMA0529@gmail.com

      oops- wrong spot

  • Anna Khan

    Is there any mention of the fact that only a certain number of parishioners from St Marks in Roslindale knew of the meeting that decided the fate of everyone? Did the letter mention that the majority of the people who voted were Fr. Christos close circle of friends? Did it mention that Fr Chris said that he would leave if Ephraim didnt let him stay?Did it mention that after Fr Chris accused Ephraim of heresy he didnt let him come to the meeting and defend himself? There are many more issues that I know of since I was at the meeting. But who is lying to people?

    • Well, what are the other issues? Are you still at St Mark’s? Any information would be welcomed.

      • Anna Khan

        well kate i had heard(not witnessed) that fr christos and ephraim were having issues with property. Fr Chris has wanted a new church for many years. On the day of the meeting when a parishioner yelled “its a lie” after he accused the metropolitan of heresy she was told by another parishioner to “shut up”. When she didnt she was escorted out by fr chrises “bodyguards”. if fr chris gets evicted im pretty sure next to no one will follow him. maybe just his inner circle. many people are there because they dont want to leave the church. i wasnt going to leave either because my parents were there. but they left and i left as well after witnessing all the lies by fr chris. we go to st annas now, which by the way fr chris wants as well. i guess 1 church isnt enough for him.GREED, MONEY,and POWER. That is what it comes down to. Oh and egoism.

        • Stavros

          The same lust for “POWER” is what motivated Fr. Panagiotes to have his friend Met. Moses promoted to Archbp in Ontario, so he (priest Carras) may push the archbp. around and gets what he ( priest Carras) wants. These must be the last days, God have mercy
          Can’t you see all this, this is the Fr. Panteleimon syndrome again all over!

          • disqus_PkcQeh2mbn

            I’m afraid that you are right stavro

          • HemiBlueJay

            Your hearts and minds are so poisoned and clouded that you would dare put Father Panagiotis and Fr. Pant’n in the same sentence… What makes you believe that Fr.Panagiotis has the ego you mention? All he has done for the past 40+ years is be on call for every parishioner at their beckon call… No is not in his vocabulary… What power does he seek? To keep the church and parish that the parishioners of Toronto built from the ground up? Shame on you for your slanderous accusations…

          • Anna Khan

            so has Fr panteleimon

          • Ambrose

            Anna wasn’t referring to Fr Panagiotes. She was referring to St. Nektarios in Roslindale, MA (meaning she would rather join the New Calendar) than follow her priest, and the priest that she is choosing not to follow is Fr. Christos whose son is an electrician. I just wanted to clarify for you all. As for Stavros, he is as delusional as Anna is I’m afraid! His conspiracies affirm his intentions are not Orthodox.

          • Stavros

            Priest Carras , the Internet priest, is a self willed man, he will push archbp moses around to get his wishes. Priest carras had said many uncharitable words on the Internet enough to reveal the inside of the man. The Greek Bishops want their $$ %. Some of these priests are in it for the power, for The self will, for the arrogance. The issue of spiritual eldership s very perilous. Fr Christos on one side, Carras , Panteleimon, another, Bp. Black , and the list goes on.
            Deterioration of spiritual state makes us look for a figure head.

          • By “the Greek Bishops”, do you mean the synod of Archbishop Kallinikos?
            I know nothing about Church administration so forgive me if this sounds ignorant, but, do the old HOCNA parishes have to provide money to the synod in Greece or Astoria? Is this what you mean?
            I always thought that Bishop Moses was rather strong-willed himself; I’ve heard him called “imperious.” But, I agree, Father Pangiotes, though very kind and hospitable, likes his own way.
            I have a very bad feeling about this mass influx of HOCNA people into GOC-Kallinikos. I think it will end badly; but, that’s just my opinion.

          • Ambrose

            Kate, none of these churches has to pay anything to the Synod for membership. This is simple distortion and slander by someone who believes in conspiracies before faith in Christ. I pray for you Stavros and Anna. The fact that disqus_PkcQeh2mbn agrees with Stavros tells us a lot about them as well. HOCNITES are great at pushing conspiracies and personal attacks in order to destroy people’s credibility in their followers eyes. The fact that they have been preaching 2 heresies in the last two years, had uncanonically left ROCOR (putting people’s salvation at risk to protect their “Christ-like” figure/leader,) and allowed perversion, homosexuality and sodomy to become the norm inside of HTM, isn’t an issue for any of you. This tells you just how sad they have become and how blindly obedient their followers are. I pray for your enlightenment.

        • George

          Do you really believe that the entire HOCNA synod self destructed due to nothing that Metropolitan Ephraim did and that he’s totally innocent of everything? You really believe Fr Christos orchestrated this entire heresy that HOCNA fell into to get his hands on land?! And do what with it?
          The buildings mean NOTHING people, what all the Orthodox parishes need are PRIESTS. So what happens if you get to keep St Marks, what are you going to do with it without clergy to serve? Virtually everyone has left for the GOC!
          We wont even mention the fact that due to age, HOCNA will cease to exist within 5 to 10 years. How old is Ephraim, Makarios, the remaining HOCNA monks, etc? This will all totally be resolved after some deaths occur in the next few years.
          Its funny how people slander and make up crap that is totally based on nonsense. M. Ephraim was promoting heresy for 2 yrs and covered Fr. Panteleimon’s homo activities for 30 years. Congrats for you being so loyal to these people. At the end of the day its all meaningless. But if it makes you feel good going down with the Titanic and being a name worshipper, all the power to you!
          May God enlighten you all and have mercy on you all.

          • Anna Khan

            First of all Ephraim is a man so that means that he is a sinner. Second F Christos is a pshyciatrist/psychologist by trade so he knows how to manipulate people. God will provide us with priests. Everone leaving for the GOC means nothing because as you know that the Bible says that in the end of days there VIRTUALLY wont be any believers. And for you to wait until the clergys deaths shows just how evil you are. And most important anything that i wrote was not made up. I was a witness to it all. If Fr panteleiomon is a “homo”, well who cares? you have no idea about the things that i do in my bedroom. We will all get judged. And Metroplolitan Ephraim said ANATHEMA to name worshipping. He outright condemns it. And thats why the other parishes left. Because they want to be with the “in crowd”. And last but not least dont judge or you will be judged. Oh and let me add something if HOCNA FINISHES LIKE U SAY THEN i WILL DO THE UNTHINKABLE AND GO TO ST NEKTARIOUS. But i refuse to follow a priest who paid his son $60,000 to do electrical work for the church. May God have mercy on ALL of us

          • Stavros

            Anna, I suggest to keep vigilant eyes on the situation and consider reporting the man to Pokrov.org
            A NOTICE TO ALL READERS : We are a rational flock, we are not going to be manipulated, use Pokrov.org to report financial, or moral inpropriety, don’t support these people, let their financial resources dwindle, expose them

          • George

            Anna,
            Your venomous reply speaks volumes. The hatred that you have developed in your heart is very sad. I’ll try to put some wisdom into your nonsense statements:
            a) Psychiatrists or psychologists by trade dont manipulate people. This point makes no sense.
            b) The fact that you publically state that an Orthodox priest is manipulating people for his own personal agenda is ridiculous and slanderous. So according to you, (if its true) that your former priest got his son a job for 60k — because of that he’s manipulative and a bad priest? This point makes no sense.
            c) Even if what you accuse the priest is true it doesnt change the fact that HOCNA has fallen into heresy. And M. Ephraim has not fully condemned name worshipping so you’re very much incorrect about that. But this topic has been covered in many articles on this website that you can read for yourself so I wont bother.
            d) Your comment that I’m evil because a few deaths will resolve this situation also makes no sense. M. Ephraim has on numerous occasions said this point himself. Hate to break it to you, we’re all going to die. And there are thousands of examples in the history of the Church that the death of individuals changed the situation of things (either positively or negatively). How is that evil?
            I’m not waiting on their deaths, actually at this point I dont quite care. We’ve already moved onto the GOC and are perfectly happy with our Synod that is not dealing with the heresies of “post death conversions” and “name worshipping” that has been plaguing HOCNA for over 2 yrs. Nor does the GOC have a shady history like HOCNA that split into its own Synod to avoid Fr Panteleimon from facing the spiritual courts for his sins. Which brings me into my next point…
            e) I wasnt judging. Fr Panteleimon’s personal sins are between him and God up to the point where he uses his position of power to take out his sexual gratifications on people under him morally and spiritually. Let me use two easy examples Anna for you to get this point fully: 1) How would you feel if your manager at work came onto you sexually? 2) How would you feel if your kids teachers came onto them sexually? And most importantly, if these situations occur how would you feel that your managers manager, or the school board not only covered up these activities but allowed it to repeatedly happen for over 30 years? This is HOCNA, do you now get it yet?
            f) Do you truly believe that THOUSANDS of Priests, Deacons, Monastics, laymen, etc all left HOCNA (some of who have been part of HOCNA over 40 years) to join the GOC “just to be in the in crowd”? Are your thoughts that shallow and void of deeper understanding? Are you capable of comprehending the fact that all these individuals did it for Spiritual reasons? Whether you agree with the spiritual reasons or not, cant you accept the fact that they feel they did what’s right for them and there’s no “manipulation”, “financial” or other stupid reasons that others have come up with? If they were “in it for the money” as you claim, wouldnt it make sense for them to simply join the New Calendarists where they will live a very very nice financially stable life?
            Take a few deep breaths, open up that angry heart of yours to God and I ask you to consider one point. What if you’re wrong? And how much evidence do you need before you accept the reality of things?

          • Stavros

            Very happy you found a spiritual haven. I wouldn’t count on your tranquility to last . While world orthodoxy is steeped in innovations and politicking , the old Calendarist enjoy musical chairs, and personality cult. Instead of hesychia, we are engaged in this sort of waste of time in which we are now engaged in; instead of seasoned elders, we now have experienced, manipulative clergy . It’s almost everywhere. We definitely do not need to duplicate the Fr. Panteleimon scenario, question those clergy ( specially the higher up) your Kalinikos synod is not exempt. We the faithful foster this environment.

          • John Collis

            Stavros: Rewind three years ago and we were all together and tranquil. What the Toronto clergy did, through proper channels and not in public was ask Bp. Ephraim to just drop “Awake, Sleeper!”. He didn’t, but pushed it even more. A similar pattern emerged with Name Worshipping. Why weren’t these just dropped? What has anyone gained with the promotion of these two issues? Why are the Faithful so slandered for making a stand on principles? Two years ago, I knew where this would lead – why didn’t the HTM leadership sense this too? Recently, Bp. Makarios scurried to meet with the Makarites, for some semblance of credibility, but was sounded rejected. Why cross the world to Greece to join with others, when you could have made a stand in Toronto not to lose most of your flock?

          • Anna Khan

            especially Bishop Demetrios who has risen through the ranks at only 34? yrs of age. and Bishop Moses who after leaving HOCNA is now the leader of the whole universe.

          • Ambrose

            Actually Anna. You need to calm your passions. They are not from God. You keep stating false facts. Bishop Demetrios was Bishop of Carlisle. Now, he is Bishop of Boston. His rank is the same. You are under the false impression that he is a Metropolitan. Moses was a Metropolitan then and a Metropolitan now. You really need to focus on your prayers and not slander.

          • John Collis

            Anna: Whatever work Fr. Panagiotes gave his son, I suspect, was approved by Council. I don’t know the details about this, but in all my dealings with Fr. Panagiotes, I have never found him to be greedy or power-hungry, humble and generous – generally I have found him above reproach in these matters. As you and others are unconvinced, let’s pose the question: From amongst a thief, sodomite and heretic, whom should I choose to follow? We’ve all had things stolen from us, and we know from the Book of Job, that this is a temptation that we can overcome. Sodomy is an abomination. Please imagine the temptations and trials of a monk who has been subjected to this. Heresy will drag our soul to hell. While everything can be forgiven, except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, the choice is clear – the thief.
            Again we hear how ‘personal’ the sins of the HTM leadership are. Personal sins are just between sinner and God, but when we are in a position of leadership and responsibility, the consequences of this sin are greater. The ongoing coverup of Fr. Panteleimon’s activities, the souls of the moleseted monks that were destroyed, and especially the uncanonical schism from ROCOR are very serious. The HTM leadership are like a school bus driver who got drunk on the job and rolled his bus; some children were killed, others seriously injured, others ok. Now we hear the bus driver say, “Nobody has a perfect driving record”, “Others like the occasional drink too”, with no mention of their rescinding their bus driving license. Out of shame, and with some spiritual conscience, how would you react if you had harmed so many?

            We all know that the “that the Bible says that in the end of days there VIRTUALLY wont be any believers”. This gave Isaiah, and the Faithful strength and resolve through the ages. However, this has also given every heresy, schismatic group, and Christian-based cult comfort too – they also interpret scripture for their own purposes. I imagine that these were the last words on the lips of those who died at Jonestown, Guyana. While this quote aids us, it is not an excuse to stop thinking, or to become blind to what is before our eyes.
            You need to address other illusions in HOCNA too. Monastics don’t “retire”, while accepting visitors, and especially not to a $1,500,000 beach house in Maine. This is not an Athonite observance but a nice “retirement” in a secular sense. This is what HTM has become, a retirement home for old fat monks. It is considered a disgrace on Athos for a monk to be fat. They can dress up and role play all they want, but their credibility is gone.
            Finally, I don’t know who you or Stavros are, but I do sincerely hope that we will all be in Communion again. It would give me a lot of joy to see all the old faces return to St. Nektarios, St. Joseph and Panagia.

          • NFTU

            Frankly I don’t even see a reason to defend Fr Panagiotes, because HOCNA has done this sort of thing on a regular basis–those of us who were HOCNA should know better. This appears to be a pathetic attempt “from the top down” to rally the troops that are left in the hopes of making this look like this is just “some schism” between equals, while “getting the last word in” on NFTU. The facts remain.

            Fr Panteleimon “retired” after 8 monks testified against him and a throng of clergy demanded his deposition. In the midst of this, HOCNA’s remaining Bishops embraced the name-worshipping heresy wholeheartedly. The overwhelming majority of clergy and parishes left HOCNA without batting an eyelash, a year after 2 Bishops and a large number of clergy and parishes left on the basis of a heresy of posthumous salvation.

            Fr Panagiotes was approved to run an official e-group for HOCNA since 1999. I don’t know how long he had been a priest before then. He ran, for a long time, the major part of HOCNA’s internet presence. Fr Christos had been a priest since the beginning of HOCNA. Apparently these men only became disgraceful after they left, having been in HOCNA, and loyal leaders in HOCNA, for decades. This can also be said for the Bishops who left, two of which had been monks in HTM for many years. That random people now come out attacking their character means one of two things: either (a) these people are totally ignorant as to the history of the people they are discussing or (b) they aren’t– but they think the rest of us are.

            Free speech for all, but IMO this isn’t a discussion worth having.

            In Christ,
            Deacon Joseph Suaiden
            St Eulalia Orthodox Mission Chapel, Yonkers NY:
            *A Mission of the Orthodox Metropolia in North America*
            *Autonomous Orthodox Metropolia of North and South America and the British Isles*
            *
            *
            “Let these canonical rules be established by us for you, O ye bishops; and if you continue to observe them, ye shall be saved, and shall have peace; but if you be disobedient, you shall be punished, and have everlasting war one with another, and undergo a penalty suitable to your disobedience.” *–Epilogue to the Apostolic Constitutions
            *

          • George

            Well said Deacon, I concur!

          • Anna Khan

            You concur because you dont know whats really going on. Those “monks” were ready to destroy the whole monastery. They voted on it but they lost by 1 or 2 votes. If they won they would be 50 million dollars richer by now and the remaining monks would be out in the street. Stop spreading hatred because u dont know anything.

          • Ambrose

            And you do Anna? In all of your posts today, you have stated false facts. They lost by one or two votes? So what you are saying then is that half of the monastery voted against Metropolitan Ephraim and the present hierarchy? This doesn’t concern you? If money was their motivation, they wouldn’t be in the mountains living in a barn.

          • Anna Khan

            first of all who is fr panagiotes? Second of all you would defend them because arent you related to bishop moses? Also keep in mind that fr panteleimon didnt “retire”. He is dying of cancer. He is rejecting chemo and any other meds. Im sure he is in extreme pain but being the holy man that he is he is willing to accept any pain. As for the monks that left you forgot to mention that they took with them 3 loade truckloads of anything they can get their hands on. Thats not very nice, is it? That wasnt enough for them thay demanded money as well. I aslo just recently have in my possession an email from bishop demetrius saying that if his demands are not met that he will start problems. I believe he is metropolitan now. And as a deacon you should know better than to talk ill of any clergy. As for the monks who screamed abuse, well just look into their past. i beleive i heard that one of them know became a lay person as is living with his boyfriend. Also keep in mind that the HTM is valued at millions of dollars and when it was brought to Panteleimon and ephraims attention to sell it and live off the money(by these monks), they refused. The problems started after that. Coincidence? We dont even say anything about new calendar priests but this website is horrible. As a deacon you should defend the faith not try to destroy it. But again arent you related to bishop moses?

          • NFTU

            I really can’t waste any time debating opinions, but I am not related to Metropolitan Moses. I’ve known him since I stayed at HTM back in 2000 and he strikes me as a conscientious Bishop and monastic. No relation.

            In Christ,
            Deacon Joseph Suaiden
            St Eulalia Orthodox Mission Chapel, Yonkers NY:
            *A Mission of the Orthodox Metropolia in North America*
            *Autonomous Orthodox Metropolia of North and South America and the British Isles*
            *
            *
            “Let these canonical rules be established by us for you, O ye bishops; and if you continue to observe them, ye shall be saved, and shall have peace; but if you be disobedient, you shall be punished, and have everlasting war one with another, and undergo a penalty suitable to your disobedience.” *–Epilogue to the Apostolic Constitutions
            *

          • Ambrose

            “Im sure he is in extreme pain but being the holy man that he is he is willing to accept any pain.”

            You lost all credibility here. I choose to no longer debate these issues with you, but I will remember you in my prayers. Please ask Fr. Isaac if the accusations against this “holy man” are true? At least he has a conscience.

          • Anna Khan

            isnt it a coincidence that Fr Christos friend, Bishop Demetrios is the metropolitan? All planned not only by christos but by demetrios and so forth.

          • Ambrose

            I hope that Bishop Demetrios was Fr. Christos’ friend. I mean, he was one of his bishops who also resided in Boston just like Metropolitan Ephraim. He also was secretary of the synod until a few months ago and worked daily at the Metropolis house along with Metropolitan Ephraim, Fr. John Flesser and others. Is it so strange that Fr. Christos who would frequent the Metropolis house would have a close relationship with his bishop? Wow Anna, what a conspiracy? By the way, Bishop Demetrios is not a Metropolitan. Stop stating hearsay, and please stick to actual facts.