Jerusalem Patriarchate Breaks Communion with Antiochians

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July 26, 2015  (Source: http://www.jp-newsgate.net/en)

The Patriarchate of Jerusalem expresses its sorrow on the recent decision of the Patriarchate of Antioch to break off communion with it, and would like to sincerely and truthfully inform the sister Orthodox Churches and its flock about the following:

Firstly, the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, responding to an invitation by the Christians of Qatar, a geographical territory within its ecclesiastical jurisdiction, appointed Theophilos, now Patriarch of Jerusalem, as officiating priest there in 1997, when there was neither a church in the region nor was the Christian worship performed. Ever since and to this day, Orthodox Christians in Qatar attend the liturgy, initially in Houses of Prayer, and since 2009 in the Church of St George, the Glorious Great Martyr, and St Isaac the Syrian, founded by the Patriarchate on a plot of land offered by His Highness Emir Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani.

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NFTU: Antioch had broken communion with the JP last year.   You’d think that, well, of all the things to break communion over, let us say, ecumenism, modernism, etc, the one thing that would be least on the list was an argument over territory, but, not so, it is all about one thing with these guys, i.e., money. Believe whatever you want; have official communion agreements for years with heretics, joint prayer, etc, but, after 20 years, the one thing that upsets them is property. This is the real spirit of the false World ‘Orthodox’, i.e., worldly influence and not Orthodox Truth. So much for the ‘conservative’ Jerusalem Patriarchate.

  • judethom

    Orthodox squabbling again, little schisms, internal disputes, arguments. issues, all bad. At least the Church of Rome fosters unity.

    • HmkEnoch

      Ah, unity in the super-heretical modernist ecumenist Papal umbrella organization! No thank you to Papist ecumenist-modernist heretics and World ‘Othodox’ ecumenist-modernist heretics who cry ‘unity’, and find unity only in heresy.

      Only salvation can be found in True Orthodoxy, and not in Papism or the Ecumenist-Modernist Patriarchate of World ‘Orthodoxy’!

      • Justin Kolodziej

        Ah, but which True Orthodox Church? Russian Autonomous? Russian True? Genuine Greek? One of the three that venerate St. Matthew the New Confessor?

        And why does my best guess at which one is really The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church not even have a single temple in the United States of America?

        Short of a revelation from Heaven, when synod A says synods B-Z are schismatic, heretical, or both, and of course synods B-Z say the same of all but themselves, who can decide which synod’s claims are true and which synod is in the Church?

        • HmkEnoch

          Justin,

          Such questions have always been with the Church in times of great crisis. Tell me, who would you have been in communion with in Antioch in the 4th century after St. Eustathius’ expulsion and death? St. Meletius of Antioch? Or [St.] Paulinus of Antioch? One was in communion with St. Basil, the other with St. Athanasius. Both condemned the other with re-baptism and re-ordination, and such. What about St. Cyril of Jerusalem being condemned as a blasphemer, schismatic, and heretic by St. Jerome, with both have nothing to do with each other?

          Answers to these are important. Tell me what was the final judgment on these matters by the Church?

          In Christ,

          Fr. Enoch

          • JNW

            A weak response to a strong question. I certainly have no regrets leaving the “TOC” travesty in which I was raised. I grew tired of the triumphalism, muckraking, fire-and-brimstone scare tactics (“you’ll be outside The Church!!”) and flimsy justifications (“Well, even the saints made mistakes!”). Perusing the content of NFTU has done little to change my mind.

          • Deacon Joseph @ NFTU

            JNW, your response is emotional, and in some ways, intellectually dishonest, because these exact arguments show up in World Orthodoxy. At the least, however, True Orthodox are consistent.

          • JNW

            How could they possibly be consistent if unity continues to elude them? The only thing they seem to be consistent on outside of anathematizing each other is a loose agreement that the World Orthodox churches are nothing but a den of ecumenistic, crypto-satanic sellouts.

          • Deacon Joseph @ NFTU

            Well, at least they agree on something eh?

            No, but seriously, if that’s a real question, reread Fr Enoch’s argument. Our Synod was in communion with two other Churches till the Imyaslavists got a hold of them. The TOC-Kallinikos is now in communion with three other Churches. The ROCOR before the fall was in communion with other Churches. Sometimes these communions last, sometimes no, and perhaps it will take a reunion council after a couple of generations so that the personal animosity will die down.

          • HmkEnoch

            Personally I’ve never found the modern version of the 4th century “Official Church” argument against True Orthodoxy particularly convincing. After studying the whole debacle of the Orthodoxy in the 4th century, in which the only thing the Orthodox could agree on was anathematizing Arianism, and condemning each other, today doesn’t seem that different.

          • JNW

            I don’t personally know these bishops or what is going on in their heads, but if it’s true that personal animosities are the underlying reason for broken communions (regardless of TOC or World Orthodoxy affiliation), then that really is making a mockery of Christ’s church.

            Oh yes, I’ve heard the whole “Give it a generation or two” line (or similar) before as well. The Old Calendarism/TOC movement is in what, its 9th decade now? I’ll believe it when I see it.

    • Ernest

      Unity with whom and at what price? The Faith is not a popularity contest.

      • judethom

        The Faith is also not an excommunication/ out of communion
        hop scotch game, either. Orthodoxy = too much bickering and petty squabbles.

        • HmkEnoch

          No one said it was. The Orthodox Faith is not promotion of heresies and immoral lifestyles, either.

    • Nicholas I

      Thanks for the laugh: “the Church of Rome fosters unity”

    • Nicholas I

      Yes, and such unity!

      Jerusalem Post: “Benedict XVI explains why he no longer calls Jews “our elder brothers” [as JPII did] but rather “fathers in the faith”.”

      Oy Gewalt!

    • Nicholas I

      “Pope Francis praised Jews for keeping their faith” — Faith in what?

      • Deguello Morte

        Faith in the power of gelt,
        dear Nicholas;
        faith in gelt.

  • Nicholas I

    What’s your thinking about C/Serbia vs C/Macedonia? The same as C/Jerusalem vs C/Antioch? Just about property and income?