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Posted by on May 26, 2014 in ecumenical patriarch bartholomew, Ecumenical Patriarchate, Ecumenism, Ecumenism Rome, phanar-vatican meeting in jerusalem | 11 comments

Joint Declaration by Bartholomew and Francis

May 25, 2014 Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew and Pope Francis I issued a Joint Declaration immediately before their common prayer service in Jerusalem. The Joint Declaration can be found here. The homily given by Bartholomew and the speech by Francis have been posted as well.

Although the join statement says that the two sides are not in “full communion”, there is mutual recognition between the Phanar and Rome expressed. The Join Statement claims that both the Phanar and Rome teach the “same Gospel of Christ”:

Over these years, God, the source of all peace and love, has taught us to regard one another as members of the same Christian family, under one Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, and to love one another, so that we may confess our faith in the same Gospel of Christ, as received by the Apostles and expressed and transmitted to us by the Ecumenical Councils and the Church Fathers.

As the Phanr often does, it confuses some subjects. It is connecting the obligation and commandment we are given to love our enemies, with this meaning we must recognize others as ‘the same Christian family’ and having the ‘same Gospel of Christ’. But, this is not so.  We are commanded to love others, but, this does not imply they have the same Gospel. Indeed, the Vatican does not teach the same Gospel as the Orthodox Church; the Vatican, in fact, proclaims heresies. If the Phanar confesses itself to be Orthodox, how can they confess the Vatican, which teaches papal infallibility and supremacy, filioquism, and its other heresies, to have the ‘same Gospel of Christ’, or for that matter, to be under the ‘one Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ’?

Both the Phanar and Rome, additionally state, that they are on a ‘journey towards full communion’.  Indeed, Cardinal Koch,  the head of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, has already hinted at their being some additional major milestone at the 2016 Council that the Phanar will hold. It seems that far from ecumenism wading into the background, it is re-vamping up.

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  • Orthodox by Faith

    I think this proves that the so called “Schismatics” are the true Church and the mainstream is not. I pray that you all stand firm and witness to the true faith to the lost but do not fall into this apostasy. Looks like I will not be joining the mainstream Churches but instead seeking to somehow join a true Orthodox Church which will be extremely difficult as there is none in my state.

    • Daniel Smith

      I want to
      Encourage you in your decision and tell you one thing: don’t be discouraged by disagreements and bickering amongst the anti-Ecumenists. It has always been so during powerful controversy. I encourage you to read chapter 30 of st. Basil the Greats treatise on the Holy Spirit. You can find it here.http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/basilXXX.aspx

      “But what storm at sea was ever so fierce and wild as this tempest of the Churches? In it every landmark of the Fathers has been moved; every foundation. every bulwark of opinion has been shaken: everything buoyed up on the unsound is dashed about and shaken down. We attack one another. We are overthrown by one another. If our enemy is not the first to strike us, we are wounded by the comrade at our side. If a foeman is stricken and falls, his fellow soldier tramples him down. There is at least this bond of union between us that we hate our common foes, but no sooner have the enemy gone by than we find enemies in one another. And who could make a complete list of all the wrecks?”

      • Orthodox by Faith

        It is a wait and see situation but from my standpoint, the Patriarch should have been excommunicated already according to the canons.

        • Daniel Smith

          Whether or not he is excommunicated is not really relevant to the reality: he is a heretic. Excommunication is the proper METHOD of dealing with it, but does not have a direct bearing on whether or not he is objectively heretical. Consequently he is already spiritually severed from the Church with all the attendant consequences.

          • Orthodox by Faith

            I completely agree and thank you for the link and the insight. I have read some of it already.

          • Daniel Smith

            What encouraged me was that our situation is unfortunate but not unprecedented. Plus it’s not like its rosy in world Orthodoxy. Antioch and Jerusalem have severed communion over land disputes. Land!

          • Orthodox by Faith

            It does seem like much of the problems are simple or just ridiculous. I honestly do not see why they do not attempt to reconcile with those of similar faiths, like other Orthodox, rather than courting the RCC who is not the same Rome it once was.

          • HmkEnoch

            Because they have already made up their mind; and if you disagree with
            them you are a ‘fanatical hate-filled fundamentalist reactionary’
            according to Bartholomew and his followers. If you don’t praise Islam,
            talk about the ‘Holy Qu’ran, the book of our brothers and sisters the
            Muslims’, celebrate Ramadan with Muslims, pray with heretics that have
            been condemend for centuries or more, embrace the ‘two lungs’ of the
            same Body teaches with said heretics, then you are just ‘hateful’
            according to these folks.

          • Orthodox by Faith

            I believe or at least hope that there will be some remnant of them to seeks the True Orthodox. Possibly those such as Met.. Seraphim and Met Andrew who wrote th lengthy letter to the “Pope”.

          • HmkEnoch

            Yes, Daniel. You’d think of all the things to sever communion over, such as Antioch intercommunion agreement with the Monophysites, approval of joint-prayer services with non-Orthodox, and its well known open communion policy in Syria and Lebanon (and America?), or the heretical ravings of its bishops (like the trans-religious syncretism, that surpasses the ecumenism of man, of Met. George of Mt. Lebanon), etc, etc, that a land dispute would be absolutely last on any list anyone was going to compose. But, no, it’s land, which ultimately means money from that land. That’s what’s important to these folks; buildings, land, money, etc. That worldly spirit combined with an heretical spirit spell sure destruction; and it should be a warning to us all.

    • HmkEnoch

      Well, it would mean the ‘Schismatics’, which is what the ‘Official Church’ calls True Orthodox are the Orthodox and not the ‘Official Church’. The Union Bartholomew wants to accomplish with Rome is already a fact in man ‘ancient Patriarchates’ with other heretics (for example, Antioch has already concluded a limited communion agreement with the Syro-Jacobites; Alexandria has similar proivisons with the Coptic Monophysites).
      What some may not understand is that the Church will always exist, even if it is in some small form perhaps and in very bad disarray (as the well known quote from St. Basil proves even happened in the 4th century when even the Nicean Orthodox were not only fighting the Arians and others, but, were also sadly fighting and even excommunicating each other).