Vatican Shifts Toward Accepting Gay Unions?

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Vatican Shifts Toward Accepting Gay Unions?

October 13, 2014 (Source: http://www.johnthavis.com/)

In pastoral terms, the document published today by the Synod of Bishops represents an earthquake, the “big one” that hit after months of smaller tremors.

The relatio post disceptationem read aloud in the synod hall, while defending fundamental doctrine, calls for the church to build on positive values in unions that the church has always considered “irregular,” including cohabitating couples, second marriages undertaken without annulments and even homosexual unions.

Regarding homosexuals, it went so far as to pose the question whether the church could accept and value their sexual orientation without compromising Catholic doctrine.

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NFTU Comment:

The Vatican Church has seen one centuries long shift downward and away further from the foundations of Christianity (as exemplified in the Orthodox Christian Faith).  As Dr. Joseph Overbeck, the well-known Roman Catholic priest turned Russian Orthodox Christian apologist and polemicist (being the first vocal and virulent opponent of the early ecumenical movement), predicted would naturally happen; especially, as he said, with Papism becoming  more heretical after they declared the Pope was able to make infallible statements ‘ex cathedra’.  It was only a matter of time before the institutionalism of Roman Catholicism would be completely infected with modernism and ecumenism, which would lead to an institutional degradation that was impossible to be recovered from.  Even from a worldly perspective, with Rome being cut off from the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church since the 11th century, and thus deprived of the Sacramental Grace of God, Rome is irreversibly damaged beyond belief.

The attempts to see ‘qualifying’ statements coming out is generally reflective of Vatican policy of trying to do ‘control damage’ in word, but in act not doing anything.  A general trend you see in Roman Catholic history (especially the last 50 years) is one where, 1) something happens that is technically contrary to Vatican teaching and/or policy, 2) some statements are made to moderate the previous actions or statements, 3) the ‘damage control’ has no effect, and the activity continues, and 4) the Vatican eventually issues some sort of approval that is merely a fait accompli (this, for example, was what happened in Papism with female altar servers).

Yet, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew and the other leaders of World Orthodoxy seem just not to care.  They will have their union with the degraded corpse of fallen Old Rome no matter the cost.

  • judethom

    This is not about approving gay unions or marriages but about a more charitable attitude towards gays–not throwing the first stone—this is something that the “masters” of this mean site need to consider adopting for themselves.

    • Justin Kolodziej

      Sometimes the truth sounds mean, but regardless it does not stop being the truth. And when that truth is that, as St. Paul taught, those who commit homosexual acts are in severe danger of losing the Kingdom and being cast into Gehenna, it would be uncharitable not to warn them of that fact, so that they may repent, escape such a sorry end, and be accepted as brothers and sisters.

      Now I believe the “masters” of this site would have nothing but praise for those in the Church who consider themselves gay yet remain chaste, or even those who struggle to do so and yet fall out of weakness, and repent and confess their sins, just like anyone else with any other sin whatsoever.

      • HmkEnoch

        Christ said to the woman caught in adultery, “Go and sin no more.” He did not say, “Accept your adulterous feelings as who you are and seek to find special gifts in them.”

        An whole group of people who profess inclinations to a grievous deadly sin (homosexuality) are being held up and their temptations, inclinations, etc, are being ‘praised’ as making ‘valuable contributions’; and they are encouraged to find ‘special gifts’ relating to this fallen condition.

        The sin that most Protestants, many Roman Catholics (and some World ‘Orthodox’) are seeking to exonerate and praise is something that caused God to destroy two whole cities. It is not something to be lauded, praised, etc, it is something to be repented of. But such is modern life, which only seeks after confirmation of all that we do, and does not seek to condemn their own life, and gain Heaven.

        • Marlon Scott

          Met. Philaret of New York:

          Modernism places that compliance with the weaknesses of human nature above the moral and even doctrinal requirements of the Church. In that measure that the world is abandoning Christian principles, modernism debases the level of religious life more and more. Within the Western confessions we see that there has come about an abolition of fasting, a radical shortening and vulgarization of religious services, and, finally, full spiritual devastation, even to the point of exhibiting an indulgent and permissive attitude toward unnatural vices of which St. Paul said it was shameful even to speak. (Second Sorrowful Epistle)