Vladimir Moss: Dubious, but Hopeful About Union

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Vladimir Moss: Dubious, but Hopeful About Union

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One of True Orthodoxy’s most prolific writers and vocal critics has weighed in on the union of the GOC under Archbishop Kallinikos, the ROCOR-A, and their respective Synods of True Orthodox of Romania and Bulgaria.

His conclusion: this probably isn’t a good thing but it will likely have at least some positive outcomes.

Dr. Vladimir Moss spelled out his conclusions yesterday in a new article, “The Kallinikite Unia”,  on his website.

Moss, whose work and research covering True Orthodoxy extends over 30 years, contends that the “Unia”– a term that hearkens to the corporate reunions of some Orthodox bodies with Rome in the 17th century– ultimately leaves questions such as grace outside of True Orthodoxy unresolved on paper. He also expresses a low opinion of both Metropolitan Agafangel and Archbishop Kallinikos over a number of paragraphs, as well as implying this was a victory for the “Cyprianite” parties.

So is he completely negative in his assessment? “Undoubtedly a short-term benefit will be that many will be relieved and rejoice that the continuing disintegration of True Orthodoxy into ever more jurisdictions has been halted and partially reversed. Also to be welcomed is the possible encouragement it will give to some World Orthodox to look again at True Orthodoxy and consider joining it,” the article states. It further concludes that this will have positive unitive aspects for True Orthodox Synods that have not joined in the ecclesiastical union in Russia, such as RTOC, ROCOR (V) and ROAC.

Moss’ most celebrated work is the multi-volume series on Saints of Orthodox England. His most recent series on the New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia his largest to date and many of his books are available for download.

  • Herman

    Union of the Zealots! Union of the Zealots! We need a real True Orthodox union! ROAC with the Matthewites! We need a true union! Union of the synods who condemn Cyprianism! Union of the Zealots!

    • Anonymous

      Elder Joseph the Hesychast said the zealots were deluded.

      • Herman

        First of all, I don’t recognize your so called “elder” Joseph the Hesychast, because he fell away from the true church before he died. Second, if being a zealot for the Truth of the Faith means you are deluded, then St. John Chrysostomos and all the saints and Fathers of the Church were deluded and If that’s what it means I am glad to be deluded too! 🙂

        • Anonymous

          You don’t recognize Elder Joseph, because you are in prelest. Anyone who thinks they have greater insight than a saint, is deluded. Elder Joseph received direct revelation from God that the Church was with the patriarch. Elder Joseph only fell away from the Church, if you first assume the validity of the zealot position. This is called, arguing in a circle. And your analogy of St. John Chrysostom is totally false. You did not give any REASON or ARGUMENT explaining why this is a valid analogy. Those saints never fell away from the Church. You proved nothing.

          • Anonymous

            See “My Elder Joseph the Hesychast,” The following pages discuss the zealot position:113, 122, 164, 491, 525. The book said that the zealots cannot admit to being wrong, because they have not attained to the level of sainthood. They can’t humble themselves enough.

          • Herman

            I’m done trying to talk to you, you will not listen to the saints you certainly will not listen to me.

          • Herman

            In real Orthodoxy, you are not supposed to judge another person’s soul or spirituality. Are you so holy that you can see my soul and into my heart and really know and say that I am in prelest? You world orthodox people always claim that we are hypocritical and judgmental yet the only people you guys don’t judge are the heretics! Exactly the opposite of what you are supposed to do! You people refuse to say anything nice about an old Calendarist, not even recognizing them as real Christians, yet you accept and pray with and are kind to the Catholics and the Protestants! You guys even have better relations with Muslims than you do with us, that is a shame. Let’s give a Koran to a Muslim cleric and bless the name of Mohamed, but then let’s go and beat up some true orthodox zealots. You guys are seriously confused. Oh yea, and I do listen to the saints. Saint John Chrysostomos says to be as gentle as a lamb, but when it comes to matters of the Faith be as ferocious as a lion! Your supposed “elder” is not a glorified saint by the Orthodox Church. You should start listening to the Holy Fathers and not a schismatic monk from the holy mountain.

        • Anonymous

          St. John Chrysostom and the Holy Fathers were never out of communion with the Church.

  • Marlon Scott

    Oh well… a brief period of peace without hurling anathemas, perpetual charges of ecumenism and pan-heresy was nice while it lasted. Lord have mercy.

    • Jonathan Gress

      To be fair, V is not hurling anathemas, and he only speaks for himself and does not represent any synod. Abp Andrew of ROAC is a different matter, and he has also criticized this union. But if you want to find positive reactions to the union they’re not hard to find.

    • Theofan

      Perhaps a contemplation of the Apostles flight, in fear and panic, as the Lord Jesus was arrested and led away… taken from them and betrayed into the hands of sinful men… perhaps such a contemplation might be a helpful means of gaining perspective these days. Though Thomas doubted, and Peter denied… they, nonetheless, sheltered together until the news came that The Lord had risen. They came to understand a bit later.. as Jesus’ words were remembered, “no man taketh my life from Me”… they came to understand… don’t you think? Tears and confessions, like Peter’s and Thomas’, I do hope, will accompany the difficult and dangerous polemics that are flung about all too casually.
      I know you know this, Maxim. You could have given up on me… but you didn’t.
      A blessed Great Lent and Pascha, dearest brother.

      A sinner.
      Theofan

  • Thymoleon

    Unia? One wonders why he couldn’t find a more blasphemous or sacrilegious way of expressing his malignity.

    What should we say about Moss’ serial relationships with various Synods around the world? His actions demonstrate that he has been terribly wrong more than once.

    Moss is clearly writing with malevolent intention, which is manifested in the paranoid and delusional things he has to say about Archbishop Kallinikos.

    In terms of his argument, Moss does not explain why section VI.6 cannot be interpreted in light of section VI.1-5. After all, sections VI.1-5 are prior. It seems that he never entertained the idea–or perhaps, he is trying to suppress the idea in order to further his own agenda.

    Finally, to assure is to affirm, which means to make a positive statement on something. The text, for those who have eyes to read, says that the TOC does not assure or affirm the validity or soteriological efficacy of mysteries performed by Ecumenists. This is in full agreement with sections VI.1-5 and does not contradict them in the slightest.

    • Jonathan Gress

      I don’t agree with Vladimir’s position, but I think he spells out his dogmatic objections in a reasonable way. I am also dubious about his character assassination of Abp Kallinikos, but V and Abp K have a bad relationship that goes back at least 20 years which no doubt informs his perspective.

      • BD

        Let’s look at the facts:
        1) AB Kallinikos (“ABK”) – gets ordained secretly (in full knowledge) without AB Auxentius knowledge , because he and a group of other bishops think they can fix the church.
        2) he convinces AB Auxentius and his synod to receive him back into the TOC without Cheirothesia. This shows he is not repentant.
        3) He leads the investigation against AB Auxentius, which leads to AB Auxentius’ being deposed. This investigation is later found to be a fraud.
        4) He single handidly thwarts the union between GOC-K and the Tikonites, on a quesitonable basis, but now prefers Agathangle???.
        5) He joins his fellow “Coup” buddy, the cyprianites without condeming Cyprianism.
        6) I’m sure there is more. Feel free to add.

  • Anonymous

    Moss’ conclusion that this union will have positive benefits, is another example of a man who lacks spiritual discernment. His convoluted logic and conclusion does not follow. Nothing positive could come from a union in falsehood. If anything, the world will look at this union as yet another example of “TOC” contradiction, hypocrisy and insanity. Remember, we are talking about a man who believes in the non-Orthodox concept of Bibles Codes. This man has no discernment. He also recognizes the RTOC, which was in communion with the Cyprianites, and were never restored by the “true” Orthodox. In Protestant fashion, the RTOC just repented to themselves. There is no such thing as “True” Orthodoxy. There is only one, holy, catholic and apostolic church, as explained by the creed.

    • Ra’al Dara

      I think your decision to join world orthodoxy shows a true lack of
      spiritual discernment. As such your ability to judge another man’s
      orthodoxy or what is true orthodoxy is suspect.

      • Herman

        Amen!

  • Anonymous

    Vladimir Moss is the son of a British diplomat, an agent of the British
    Government which is the head of world-wide Freemasonry, Darwinism,
    Imperialism, and rapacious globalist capitalism and its materialistic
    humanistic ecumenism, hence Moss’s family are British spies or
    propagandists basically. The British government helped fund Tito and Ho
    Chi Min and Mao ZeTung and other communists and they backed the February
    Revolution against the Tsar. The British government is composed of
    stooges, employees and relatives of the Rothschilds, the Schiffs, the
    Warburgs, and the general world freemason banker conspiracy, But for all
    that, I am willing to allow that Vladimir Moss may not be a Freemason’s
    stooge, MI-6 or a double agent of some other power. But really, you
    never know the secret motivations of some people. He is also the head of
    the British-based Russian Imperial Monarchist Society, which is a
    political party, albeit a tiny one, that wants to undermine the current
    regime in Russia, and so he engages in the propaganda war of
    politicians, which is notoriously slapdash and sloppy with facts in
    their mud-slinging.

    • Makis

      Perhaps I can interest you in a nice tin foil hat?

  • Anonymous

    Moss’ also believes in the esoteric Protestant/Jewish error of “Bible Codes.” This proves there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with his ability to discern.

    • Ra’al Dara

      You don’t seem to have any trouble invoking Moss whenever you feel it helps your arguments as in your previous posts elsewhere. I think there is something seriously wrong with you.

  • ted mann

    Once again Vladimir Moss (a politician, not a theologian) shows his lack of ability to discern. Nothing good could come from a disobedient and hypocritical GOC going into communion with the SIR –a group the GOC has historically anathematized and denounced. If anything, mainstream Orthodoxy will use this union as another example for why Old Calendarists should be mocked, and for why they should be avoided. Vladimir lacks discernment, and his conclusion does not follow logically from the main thesis of the article.