World ‘Orthodox’ At Conference Again Call for Ordination of Women

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World ‘Orthodox’ At Conference Again Call for Ordination of Women

December 11, 2014 (Source: http://www.saintcatherinesvision.com)

As previously reported on NFTU, there has been a growing movement among the modernist-ecumenist World ‘Orthodox’ to endorse “women’s ordination”.  The movement has gained some ground in various modernist-ecumenists jurisdictions, such as the OCA and Antiochans.  In both groups (and others), women have already been ordained readers, and thus, affirmed to have ‘the first degree of the priesthood’.  In the pdf file posted by the feminist group (which group has the support of the so-called ‘Assembly of Canonical Bishops’), it is claimed that women deacons have a participation in the ‘priesthood’.  While it states that this does not mean they have any aspiration to be presbyters and bishops, the actions taken by these feminist groups and their supporters belie this statement.

While there was, in some limited places, an order of deaconess, it was not connected to the Priesthood, nor did it have true Levitical functions (i.e., sacrificial functions associated with the Deacon).  In the ancient West, in fact, there was no laying on of hands for deaconess.  In the few places in the East where it was observed, the Deaconess was never ordained reader or sub-deacon first. Why? Because they did not share in the ‘degrees of the Priesthood’ (as the service for reader states).  However, the great triumph for the feminists in the modernist-ecumenist groups has not been convincing the allowance of women deacons; but, it has been the allowance of women readers.  Once it is acknowledged that they can hold the first degree of the priesthood, then the other degrees cannot be theoretically withheld, according to their logic.  Thus, the call for the rejuvenation of women deacons, coupled as it is with women readers and women sub-deacons, is something entirely different than the ancient women deacons (whose only role was to assist in baptism of naked women, and run charitable organizations).

The group endorsed by the World ‘Orthodox’, called “St. Catherine’s Vision”, states:

“A Call for the Rejuvenation of the Ministry of the Ordained Deaconess” has been published by St. Catherine’s Vision, an international, Pan-Orthodox fellowship of Orthodox women theologians and other lay servant-leaders.

The document is addressed to Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew and the Secretariat of the Great and Holy Council. It is being widely distributed for prayerful reflection by hierarchs, clergy and laity.”

 

It seems they wish to place this matter on the agenda of the false ‘Pan-Orthodox Council’ to be held in 2016 by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew.  In the United States and abroad, the World ‘Orthodox’ are seemingly  degenerating into fights over women’s ordination, the acceptability of homosexuality, abortion, anticipation of union with Rome, and several other issue.  The True Orthodox Christians, who began to separate from the official ‘World Orthodox’ bodies beginning in the 1920s, do not accept the allowance of debate or promotion of such ideas, and are thus distinct churches refusing to be in communion with the liberal Patriarchates.

  • Moving Along With Style

    Nobody wants women priests. Nobody.

    • HmkEnoch

      Apparently many of the modernist-ecumenists in the OCA, etc, do.

  • Fr Sergius

    There is no “right” or “left” there is only truth. Innovation has always been, is, and always will be destructive. Read St Iraneaus’s commentary on his participation in the fourth ecumenical council. Those who innovate seek to placate wordily and self-destructive passions, Orthodoxy by definition does not innovate, it remains orthodox. If they want to innovate let them become heterodox, and join the rest of the babbling rabble.

    • HmkEnoch

      Are you speaking of Irenaeus of Tyre? Do you know which specific work?

  • Quimper

    Do you want to see the more active and faithful walk away from Orthodoxy? Keep pushing this Modernist Liberal Theology with its ever so quiet, ever so little, by little clawing away at what has been settled once for all time, many times over, hundreds and some cases thousands of years ago. Let this and the accepting of homosexual marriage (not necessarily performed in the church, but accepted in, thereafter) mercy suicide, and (in some cases) abortion. Couple this junk with OCA leaving known homosexual leadership in place, rather than keeping the Congregation leadership clean.
    And what we will have left is churches of anti-christ!. Eph- 6:12 For our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the world powers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens.
    Satan is at work here, subtle though it is!

    • Antonios

      Well said. However, the things happening in the OCA are none too subtle. Unless one is ignorant due to being a new convert or is isolated etc. Otherwise, it’s simple self delusion. We believe what we want to believe. Lord, have mercy!

      -Fr Antonios

      • Quimper

        Why is this allowed to happen?

        • Antonios

          Quimper,

          I’ll answer the question, as well as I understand it, with a few personal examples. Two from the OCA and one from the E.P.

          OCA #1 – A priest that I was very good friends with invited a group of monophysites to Church on Pascha. Yes, on the most Holy feast of the year. When I asked him about it, the only way that I can describe it is that he did it for the “cool” factor. I do believe that he did it out of some form of humanistic love. Mind you, this priest, while serving a small mission parish that was struggling to keep its doors open, elicited tens of thousands of dollars in donations in order to take “mission” trips to other parts of the world. I add that so that you get a small taste of this priests mindset. Missions is something that happens outside of ones own country. Inside of ones own country, I guess you just try and make friends with those that you would otherwise missionize… Sorry, that was probably a touch too far. By the way, this priest also openly communed a fairly well known astrologer.

          E.P. – I served with the highest ranked E.P. priest in a certain country who would openly commune Roman Catholics. This priest also allowed Roman Catholics to serve in the sanctuary (altar space). This priest also tolerated homosexuals and spiritists. When he was questioned as to why he would request that someone be tonsured a reader who had been divorced and was now living with another woman, he simply said that “there are worse things in the world”.

          OCA #2 – Perhaps the most conservative priest that I knew in the OCA would openly commune monophysites. Please know that at every Liturgy he would say, before communion, that people had to be “baptized Orthodox Christians” in order to be communed. And then, he would promptly commune any of the monophysites in attendance that came up for communion. He would say they were “close enough”. I think I’ll leave it there.

          So, “why is this allowed to happen”? Well, once you walk away from the Truth, what other direction is there?
          -Antonios – unworthy priest

          • Quimper

            Wow… I guess I’m going to have to add my backbone to the fight at the National level of OCA! . Yes, I state, “fight” because that is what I now see it as.
            I’m actually fairly new to this Internet thing, as far as using it as a research tool into finding out what is going on in the leadership of the various jurisdictions, and the various areas of at least the USA and Canada. In fact, up until I started doing such research, I had no idea how corrupt it was at the top!
            Here locally however, I’m known to be humbly outspoken against being “accepting” of homosexual practices, and the marriage thereof, be it in or out of the Church.
            I state, “practices” because there is a biblical distinction between those who “practice” sin, those who approve of it (be they silent or not) and those who periodically fall, as we all do.
            Romans 1:32 (NIV) “Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who “practice” them.”
            Of course we as fallen men fall into sin, but that is very different indeed than those who practice sin, i.e. living in sin.
            And, if we do not cry out, then perhaps the stones will!?!

  • Quimper

    It’s important to be humble, yet be verbal, and be active in your church parish meetings. And it goes without saying, one must be a spiritual rock in the congregation, being a exemplary example of a fine Christian lest your words, and input fall upon deaf ears.
    We have the Word Of God as our sword!
    There is nothing like a clear statement of scripture (or a few) to stop any discussion of whether or not “practicers” of sin (acceptance of homosexual activity, and marriage thereof) is scripturally sound.
    Speak up, and speak directly to those who preach a different gospel!